Osama bin Laden Is Dead

A few days ago, President Obama announced to the world "that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children." 

Justice permeated the speech.

"We were also united in our resolve to... bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice."

"I... authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice."

"We can say to those families who have lost loved ones to al Qaeda’s terror: Justice has been done."

"Tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice."

"One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

My father has often repeated that if our culture is obsessed with a word--for example, 'justice'--it is a sure sign that we don't have any of it or even understand what it means. Justice is definitely something that we are obsessed with as a nation. And this goes well with all the talk of protecting the innocent.

"And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table... Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts."

America can do whatever we set our mind to. That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.

Let us remember that we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because of who we are: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. May God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.

For our nation to claim the blessing of God, pretending to seek the cause of justice and protection of the innocent is tragic beyond belief. Why?

We claim moral superiority because we have gone halfway around the world and assassinated a man who is responsible for the death of "thousands" of innocents, while we ourselves are responsible for 1.3 million innocent deaths every year.

We claim to be compassionate, and speak of "Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace", while in the name of choice, over 1/4 of our women will never know the embrace of one or more of their children.

We condemn al Qaeda as "an organization... which... was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe" while we fund Planned Parenthood in its work of spreading abortion—the killing of innocents—around the world.

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap." Galatians 6:7

The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks and make your home on the heights, you who say to yourself, ‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’ Though you soar like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down,” declares the LORD... Because of the violence against your brother Jacob, you will be covered with shame; you will be destroyed for ever... You should not look down on your brother in the day of his misfortune, nor rejoice over the people of Judah in the day of their destruction, nor boast so much in the day of their trouble. You should not march through the gates of my people in the day of their disaster, nor look down on them in their calamity in the day of their disaster, nor seize their wealth in the day of their disaster. You should not wait at the crossroads to cut down their fugitives, nor hand over their survivors in the day of their trouble. “The day of the LORD is near for all nations. As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head. --selections from Obadiah

The Lord have mercy on us. May we fear Him as a nation and turn and repent before it is too late.

Comments

Glad to hear that someone is

Glad to hear that someone is keeping perspective and focus in all of this instead of being caught up in the political and patriotic fervor overwhelming this nation.

Every day we strain out gnats

Every day we strain out gnats and swallow camels.

Lord help us.

I think your intent is good

I think your intent is good but I think the whole thing breaks down badly.

Is government ordained by God?

Yes

What is the function of government?

"For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer."

Government is for the supression of evil and the execution of wrath on the wrongdoer.

Now this is an example of our government doing almost precisely what it is ordained to do. Killing Bin Laden was entirely just, was the appropriate function of our government and our President was entirely correct in describing the result as justice.

Does our government regularly perform its God ordained function as it ought? No.

The answer to government performing its God ordained function irregularly is not to chastise it when it does what it ought but rather recognize that it has done what it ought. Praise it for conforming to God's purpose and then use that to call for government to consistently do what it ought so that we might rejoice in the execution of a man like Tiller as well as Bin Laden.

And lest anyone think the appropriate reaction to Bin Laden's just death is anything other than rejoicing consider what God says:

Psa 58:6 O God, break the teeth in their mouths; tear out the fangs of the young lions, O LORD!
Psa 58:7 Let them vanish like water that runs away; when he aims his arrows, let them be blunted.
Psa 58:8 Let them be like the snail that dissolves into slime, like the stillborn child who never sees the sun.
Psa 58:9 Sooner than your pots can feel the heat of thorns, whether green or ablaze, may he sweep them away!
Psa 58:10 The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked.
Psa 58:11 Mankind will say, "Surely there is a reward for the righteous; surely there is a God who judges on earth."

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what seemed to be the loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, crying out, "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
Rev 19:2 for his judgments are true and just; for he has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her immorality, and has avenged on her the blood of his servants."
Rev 19:3 Once more they cried out, "Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up forever and ever."

Pro 11:10 When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when the wicked perish there are shouts of gladness.

Psa 104:35 Let sinners be consumed from the earth, and let the wicked be no more! Bless the LORD, O my soul! Praise the LORD!

>>When you read about "the

>>When you read about "the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her immorality" which do you think is a better match to that description, Osama bin Laden, or the entire USA?

When you use the word "entire" it makes it easy. The USA contains part of the body of Christ. Bin Laden was idolater and enemy of the Church through and through.

That said we read that passage last Sunday as our pastor preaches through Isaiah and no American should hear the description without fear and trembling.

PS You'll probably expand

PS You'll probably expand your readership with an RSS feed.

Not making sense.

David,
So which is it? You say that the word "entire" makes it easy... and then you never directly answer the question.

Is the US Government awash in hypocrisy, especially about the slaughter of the unborn? Unquestionably.

The killing of Bin Laden is the exception that proves the rule-- Our government DOESN'T punish evildoers, and DOES encourage the oppression of the most helpless.

>So which is it? You say that

>So which is it? You say that the word "entire" makes it easy... and then you never directly answer the question.

I thought it was pretty obvious. You asked which was the better match and it is obviously Bin Laden.

Oops, I thought that was

Oops, I thought that was Joseph replying, not Andrew. Still think my reply is pretty obvious though.

Dear David, You can't be

Dear David,

You can't be serious. We export our sexual immorality all over the world, and the church in the USA is drenched in those same sins. And you think OBL is the better match? What if I remove the word "entire" and say "as a whole" instead? After all, the Lord is clear in his dealing with nations as a whole. Christians cannot live in the USA and claim that somehow we have no responsibility for her (our) sins. Nor is it wise for us to pretend that if God pours out his wrath on this country that we will not suffer along with our neighbors.

Also, I lied. (Sorry.) I have another question. Does the USA going over to Pakistan and killing a foreign entity actually accomplish what you claim?

Think of a dysfunctional family with a 10-year-old bully, named Billy, who always beats up his little sister, Tina, and his father, Fred, never does anything about it. Then a neighbor boy, comes over and calls Tina ugly. The father, Fred, goes over and beats the living daylights out of the neighbor boy. You think that's going to instill fear in Billy? I don't.

My argument is not that it was wrong for us to kill Osama bin Laden. But putting him to death is no evidence that we have fear of the Lord. It is no evidence that we love justice. It is no evidence that we care for the innocent. If anything, it is evidence that we love taking vengeance.

The point is that all our talk of justice and protecting the innocent makes us more guilty for refusing to do it here at home. And in so far as this act *was* justice being served and the innocent being protected, it shows that we have enough understanding of those things to again increase our guilt.

I repeat: "May we fear Him as a nation and turn and repent before it is too late."

In Christ,
-Joseph

And thanks for the

And thanks for the recommendation, David. I've added some links to make the feed(s) more obvious.
-Joseph

Dear Joseph, I probably

Dear Joseph,

I probably should have started my reply in a different manner. God judges individuals and God judges the nations but they are not treated interchangeably. So comparing the US and Bin Laden is really apples and oranges. We could compare Obama and Bin Laden. Or the US and Pakistan. But we really can't compare the US and Bin Laden and I shouldn't have even started down that road.

>Christians cannot live in the USA and claim that somehow we have no responsibility for her (our) sins. Nor is it wise for us to pretend that if God pours out his wrath on this country that we will not suffer along with our neighbors.

We certainly will suffer with our neighbors. I would say the responsibility of Christians within a nation for the sins of that nation vary accordingly with the position of Christians and the degree of power they possess. All adult Christians (with a handful of excpetions) wield political power in the US (which is what the R2K folks seem not to grasp). Consequently we have a greater level of responsibility than, say, Christians in Pakistan.

>Does the USA going over to Pakistan and killing a foreign entity actually accomplish what you claim?

Beyond the shadow of a doubt. What we did is entirely lawful, both in terms of what the state is ordained to do and by historical understanding of international law. There can be no serious questioning of the justice of killing Bin Laden.

>But putting him to death is no evidence that we have fear of the Lord. It is no evidence that we love justice. It is no evidence that we care for the innocent. If anything, it is evidence that we love taking vengeance.

I don't think I argued it was such evidence. Paul wrote Romans in the context of the Roman Empire. They could perform the ordained duties of the state while still worshipping Augustus or Jove. Utterly pagan governments can perform those duties. What is true is that in this instance the state behaved precisely in the manner that God ordained. This is a good thing regardless of what is going on around it. What we need to do is to summon the state to do what it is ordained to do in a variety of contexts where it does not, the protection of the unborn being being a prime example. As to being glad that the state is doing what God instructs it to do it seems both overtly obvious that this is appropriate and we have ample scriptural evidence pointing in the same direction.

>The point is that all our talk of justice and protecting the innocent makes us more guilty for refusing to do it here at home. And in so far as this act *was* justice being served and the innocent being protected, it shows that we have enough understanding of those things to again increase our guilt.

And here we start to make the right point. Executing justice and protecting the innocent are good things. God ordained things for the state. America don't limit these things but let them be done in every instance.

>I repeat: "May we fear Him as a nation and turn and repent before it is too late."

I am exceedingly certain that I didn't argue with that as I pray it myself.

Sometime we'll have to discuss "Creeds and Confessions". :)

David, To be clear, I have

David,

To be clear, I have not been attempting to question whether what the USA did was just or right. I do have questions about it, but I have not studied it. My leaning is to assume what you claim, which is that it was good.

My whole post, the last question to you (and the scenario, also) were all meant to bring into sharp relief the fact that we Americans actually *don't* care about justice. Just because the USA happened to do one just thing *and* everybody is happy about it, doesn't mean that we love justice and protecting the innocent.

Nor do I see this bearing of the sword in Pakistan as likely to bring fear to those in the USA who have been guilty of oppressing the weak and innocent. Since you said that the gov't bears the sword for a reason (to cause those who are doing evil to fear), I was asking whether the action taken actually causes wicked US citizens to fear. Certainly I assume that it will cause terrorists to fear. But I highly doubt the former. Maybe that is what you are getting at with "apples and oranges".

Your contention that we need to call the gov't to be faithful to protect the innocent and do justice in all areas is exactly what I thought I was doing with the post. It's time for us to stop congratulating ourselves on how "just" we are, and how awesome it is that we protect the innocent. Instead, it's time for us to repent for *not* doing these things, and start doing them.

I'd be happy to talk to you about Creeds and Confessions. Just hit up that "contact us" link, and tell me where I'm wrong. :)

In Christ,
-Joseph

So, David and Joseph, how

So, David and Joseph, how will we know when "God pours out his wrath on this country"? What will that look like? But didn't he already do that, and isn't there just one more coming? One answer is to say, "It looks like the cross," as in the first coming, and "I don't know," as in the second coming. But your squealing about the coming judgment on countries for things you really don't like seems to force you to have to speculate and answer in a way not consistent with either what we know (the cross) or what we don't know (the second coming).

But it seems to me when God judges again we'll know it.

God's judgment will be poured

God's judgment will be poured out on sin. Ultimately, as you point out, that will happen in the final judgment. But there are also natural consequences--here and now--to living in sin, which the Bible is clear in attributing to God and his judgment,

and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. (Romans 1:27)

In fact, we must go even further though. If you look at Romans 1:27 in context you will see that God is already pouring out his wrath on this nation.

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. (Romans 1:22-27)

Our nation's obsession with sexual sin, especially homosexual sin, is a direct result of our worshipping the creation rather than the Creator, and it is part of God's judgment on us. So we see that God is clear in pouring out his judgment on sin in this world currently, not just at some point in the future. 

Your claim that God is not currently active in judging sin in this world, is anti-biblical. Nowhere has God said he would stop judging sin in this world until Christ's second coming. He has been consistent in punishing nations and people-groups for their sins from the very beginning.

I believe I need to respond

I believe I need to respond further to you, Zrim. It is neither "speculation" nor "squealing" to call on a nation which has rejected God to repent before it is too late. Nor is it me speaking of something "we don't know". God is clear. Jesus will come again, and he will judge the living and the dead. What speculation do you see in this post?

Finally, and most importantly, this is not me "squealing" about things that *I* "really don't like." The Bible is clear. God is the one who condemns our violent oppression of the weak and helpless, our murderous child sacrifices, and our injustice--not me. I am calling out a warning. Pleading for repentance.

You will not be allowed to use this blog to cry out "Peace, peace!" where there is no peace. As you have received plenty of warnings before, from other pastors, this will be your only warning here.

>But your squealing about the

>But your squealing about the coming judgment

And yet you blanch at the thought of describing abortion as child murder, which is simply an objective description of what happens in abortion and consider such language overwrought. How then do you come to the use of the word "squealing?"

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